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Shadow Talk - Personal Experiences
This episode explores the transformative journey of shadow work through personal narratives that emphasize empowerment and self-acceptance. Hosts share stories of encounters with their shadows, illustrating how embracing this darker aspect of themselves has led to profound personal changes and healing.
• Granddaughter Crow recounts a pivotal moment during a ritual experience
• Stefani Michelle connects past trauma with her journey into self-love
• Jeffrey Gray highlights the empowering role of music in facing shadows
• Discussion addresses societal views on shadow and personal identity
• Emphasizes the importance of accepting and embracing one's shadow
Stefani has been an intuitive healer her whole life studying metaphysics and energy with her mother since the 80's. She enjoyed a career in education and obtained degrees in communications, sociology, and leadership.
She also became a Reiki Master and Interfaith Minister in '96. Recently she became a yoga teacher and retired from traditional education to become a healer and coach.
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Welcome to Belief, being and Beyond with your host, granddaughter Crow. Hi everybody, granddaughter Crow here for yet another episode of a special series here on Belief, being and Beyond called Shadow Talk. Now, if you've missed out, we have another video. This is our second video on this series and we're going to end out this series with a live, so keep track of what we're doing.
Speaker 1:I am here with Stephanie Michelle, the author of Chakras and your Shadow Work, and I am Granddaughter Crow. Last episode we talked about journey work and I said, hey, my husband, jeffrey Gray, is the one who wrote all of that. So we have a special guest for you guys today. He is Asatru, which means he is on the Norse path, sworn to Odin, and he is a musician bass player, alchemical bass. He's traveled all around America Canada, usa, canada for years, since he was a teenager, playing in different bass, guitar bands and all of that kind of stuff, and now he is my beloved husband and co-author to my book Shadows and your Shaman. Please welcome, jeffrey Gray. This is my beloved husband, jeffrey Gray. What an introduction, huh.
Speaker 2:Hey, that was amazing.
Speaker 1:Hello.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:So this is really amazing interview. We in this episode we're going to kind of give a little bit more personal stories so that you can relate a little bit more and or just hear our personal stories. So the first question that we're going to get into is how our own shadow work changed our lives, how my shadow work changed my life, how Stephanie's shadow work changed our lives, how my shadow work changed my life, how Stephanie shadow work changed her life, and then we'll hand it over to Jeffrey Gray. So I'll just kick it off and say in this question I keep thinking about well, when did I start doing shadow work? And the answer is I don't know. But I do remember a very significant moment when I was probably it was probably 10 years ago, and it's the one that sticks out in my mind the most as actually doing shadow work, explicitly knowing it was shadow work.
Speaker 1:It was on Samhain, what other people call Halloween, and we were doing a ritual in our backyard and I took the role of the high priestess. I wore a cloak, so I didn't see who was standing in the circle, and I went around and I just read the energy. I didn't know who I was standing before. That's a lot of energetic work to do, you know, stephanie. You know that it's a lot of energetic work to do. And so immediately I go upstairs into my bedroom and I kind of strip off all of that garb and the cloak, trying to reground and recenter, trying to reground and recenter, and this image showed up right in front of me and it was dark and I knew it was my shadow and I said why are you haunting me? You were such a mean bitch. What do you want from me? Go away. You know what she said to me. Why do you treat me like this? I love you and I have been your protector on multiple occasions. And in my mind's eye I saw her protecting me when I got attacked when I was 17 in you know an alleyway by a drunk guy with a knife. I got away and I started seeing all of these other things and she said I'm the one that saved your life at least five times, so don't treat me like this. And I dramatically fell at her feet because I'm exhausted and this was overwhelming and I embraced her as my protector and she has been with me with a strong voice ever since and it changed my life because I stopped running away from my internal protector, even though I think that maybe she was mean sometimes mean sometimes, and that wasn't the one that I should have been running away from. That was the one that embraced me and that she told me that she loved me and that was protecting me. And she's the side of me that I don't want to see, because I was raised a good little Christian girl and I need to, you know, be good and nice and smile and love. And she was just like no, sometimes you got to be mean. It saves your life. Sometimes you've got to stand up, whether they see it as mean or not. And I was just like. So.
Speaker 1:That's my initial story about how my own shadow work really changed my life, because it changed my perspective as well. As it changed not only my perspective about me. It helped me to embrace my whole self. I started feeling so much more comfortable. I stopped being afraid of myself and or you know, all of that kind of stuff. My cat she's trying to get in and tell her story about when she Hold on. So that was my cat. She decided she wanted to join this lovely conversation and tell us how she owns her shadow and how it changed, of course. So what do you guys think about that?
Speaker 2:I mean, it's pretty well, yeah, I actually think that is an incredible story and makes me realize what my shadow work actually is. The story that I had prepared today is not the story I'm about to tell you, but what you just shared. Yeah, put so many puzzle pieces together for me. So I have a book it's up in the shelf up there that I wrote before chakras and shadow work up there, that I wrote before chakras and shadow work, but it's self-published and it's called the beast and when I was little I had, from as early as I can remember I had dreams of Satan We'll call him in the beginning of my life, satan, and he started off as a tree on fire and he would send out these little fireballs running after me. And then the hell hounds were running after me and they were nightmares and I was, you know, three years old, five years old, 10 years old, 15, 18, my whole life just dreaming of Satan.
Speaker 2:And so I wrote this book called the Beast, and in that time I also had sexual trauma and so you know, on a psychological perspective, it was like, oh, were the dreams because of that? Was that? You know where's that entanglement? And I wound up in a marriage that kind of mirrored the Beast and the trauma, and so that first book is all about how I reinvented my trauma in a and I called him the beast. And then I had this third book and a half where I wrote letters from the beast and I self-published it again but it was like in the midst of my untangling and there was poetry in it, but it's all. I think there's like 10 pages that repeat themselves. Like it's chaotic that book letters from the beast, but in that moment in letters from the beast moment.
Speaker 2:I knew I was the beast, not him, not anyone else. But I was still in chaos, I was still in trauma cycles. I had that meditation, that vision, that journey that I shared with you, the Rose Garden which is in chakras and shadow work. And the very first time I was gifted with that journey, I unzipped, took off my skin and threw it in. It was a big brick oven and I threw it in there and I remember carrying it and it was heavy in this journey and I threw it in there and I remember carrying it and it was heavy in this journey and I threw it in there and I sobbed and sobbed, and sobbed.
Speaker 2:And ever since that moment and I didn't even realize this until you just shared your story but ever since that moment I had, I knew that that was when my shadow work began, but I didn't realize the mirror of Lucifer, because all of a sudden Lucifer started showing up in my life, no longer Satan, and I realized that as a Capricorn, I didn't even it was not conscious knowledge that as a Capricorn I was the devil in tarot and it was. He just kept showing up and he kept showing up and this time he wasn't, he wasn't scary and he wasn't asking to overcome me. And he wasn't asking because in those dreams, part of it was be my wife, stay with me. You know all those kinds of scenarios that they say the devil does, you know, like, manipulate you, which is why I put it on my first marriage.
Speaker 2:And but in my forties, as Lucifer would show up, I remember he showed up in a healing and what happens when I'm doing these energetic healings is when I go to the person's feet, a deity, a God, somebody always shows up at the head and it was Lucifer and he was big and bright and all of the things.
Speaker 2:And we're having this conversation over this person's body and he was basically saying I am you, we are morning light, we are self-empowerment, we fight for ourselves. And I was crying and of course it was relevant to the person that I was healing and we had this beautiful conversation, but I didn't realize in that moment, and literally until you, I knew that I had been working with him and that he was a protector and what he did was fight for your soul and he fought, he fights, for your personal light and personal empowerment, but I didn't realize that I had married those two things. No longer was I Satan, I was now Lucifer. So I was Lucifer Morningstar and I am that resolved energy and not that demonized energy. And thank you, because that is amazing.
Speaker 1:I love that because you know, a lot of people bastardize, demonize all of that. That is Lucifer, when Lucifer is the morning star, is the one that questioned authority, is the one who said eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, all of that kind of stuff. And I love that we're talking about shadow, because shadow too is bastardized, demonized, shoved under the rug, when really it is our morning star. That's an inspirational. Yeah, go ahead, Go ahead.
Speaker 2:And what I and I had realized this, but again, I didn't put it all together until just now. There was a moment in 2022 where I once again saw the hellhounds, but this time in 2022, they said to me we're here for you, we love you, we work with you, and I was like I was crying, sobbing, and just what a beautiful gift you just gave me to be able to put all of those experiences together. I was going to go somewhere completely different with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, this is why we have these conversations and you know, for the listeners, do your research about the shadow, about everything that we're talking about. It is taboo, but if you're listening to this show, something is making a little sense that you know this is our protector. And it has been given a lot of negative connotations, I believe, because a lot of people don't want us to question, they don't want us to protect ourselves, et cetera, et cetera and so forth. Another conversation for another day, whether those people are consciously doing it or just doing it because it happened to them, whatever. So anyway, yeah, I know, look at what happens. I can't wait to hear what the readers and the listeners have to say. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. I think it's beautiful that both of you, you know, shared basically a ritual experience, you know, coming through at this point, and I think it's interesting because I do believe you know. I mean, it has been demonized so much and there's a reason for that, you know, because it can be such an empowerment for us. You know one of the things that I was reading. You know your book, and do I need to hold it up?
Speaker 1:You're fine, you can hold it up if you want to.
Speaker 3:Just one.
Speaker 1:Chakras and the Shadow by Stephanie Michelle. I love it.
Speaker 3:I love it. So I was reading your book and you know, one of the thoughts that came to my mind is it's so empowering to get a grip on the shadow side of yourself, all of the old gods and goddesses, you know. I mean they automatically became demons and taboo spirit for us to connect with. And I'm thinking, you know, at least in our community. It's, and that's one of the things that really attracted me to, you know, neo, know, neil, paganism when I first got turned on onto it and being around these folks was this like. It was such an accepting society. You know, um, and I was looking around and I was like every, just because you're not, you know, captain of the baseball team, or you know, because you know you're not a movie star, you still have power and I think one of the cool things that both of your books brings out is that empowerment back to the people. Yeah, you know, because we need it right now.
Speaker 3:We really really, really need it right now.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I think that's beautiful.
Speaker 3:I saw we were talking about it and I was like I feel like we're putting something in, you know, into the mix that's going to help. You know not and I'm not limiting to everybody that you know walks the path, not limiting to everybody that you know walks the path like we walk it, just you know. I mean just our general population, the people you know. You say the people and I'm talking about you know, the people.
Speaker 1:And our shadow books are throwing something into the mix that's really well needed, you know, here at this time. So, Jeffrey Gray, how did your own shadow work change your life?
Speaker 3:I think I embraced my shadow at a very young age. My folks moved around so much I didn't go to one school for longer, I mean from 8 to 12, for longer than a year and a half. Right, we were always moving. Sometimes we moved back my senior. I went to a high school out in Washington State, my freshman year and, sure shit, you know, I have to go back my senior year 's. That's a that's a big gap, you know, especially for that, that age, age that you're in, um, so I, I'm, I really embraced the the, the dark, um, you know, through the music, I mean, it was all you know. One in the early, you, it was all you know. One in the early, you know, it was Black Sabbath and all of that stuff. You know black T-shirts and, and it was really an empowerment for me because I was, you know, I knew that it wasn't going to be with these, with these folks, for very long. So it was, it was just easy. I spent a lot of time by myself. It was just easy. I spent a lot of time by myself. I got used to being by myself and you know it reflected in life after that because I didn't have any problems, you know, grabbing a one-way ticket to a band audition up in Havermont, canada, to go play, you know, up in Canada for a year and a half, 90 days at a time. So, yeah, it was, it's always been an empowerment to me. I'm pretty good about calling myself out on my own shit, you know, I know. You know, I mean there, it's not like I go to sleep every night like, oh, I don't. You know, I mean there's, there's things that I I don't know if I would go as far as regrets because you never know what. You know what the path is going to if I would have done this differently. You know, you never know that that shit seldom works out. You know the way, the way you picture it going down in your head. So, yeah, I would say, you know my shadow has always been Been A source of comfort, um, a way to get away from, you know, being the new kid. Because I mean, honestly, when I was going, you know, through, uh well, all the way through junior high, you know you're the new kid, you're gonna get in a fight. You know they always test you. You know, you know they always test you. So it was. And then you know you're the new kid, you're gonna get in a fight. You know they always test you. Oh, you know they always test you. So it was. And then you know the when the music came in, I was totally able to immerse myself in that um, and it's just been, it's just been really um, a source of empowerment for me. It was something that that I could connect to, even through the personality traits you know.
Speaker 1:For me, no, I think that go ahead.
Speaker 2:Stephanie, I have that song and I'm going to do a horrible job at saying it or singing it, but you know that song, me and my, that's what comes across. And if you don't mind me saying you are, um, you know what the ethereal heart is, the pink heart, not the green heart, and the energy system. You have that pink aura shining through pewter that very pretty like silver, almost color you know it's like. So you have this silver on top of this, like bright pink shining out of you. Love it yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I had to. I had to tell you.
Speaker 3:I hope you don't mind, that's cool, thank you. Thank you, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1:What I, what I find interesting about that story too, is if a listener or somebody that picks up the book, who has been in the unknown several times maybe your parents were in the military and you had to move, you had to constantly test out different aspects of your personality.
Speaker 1:You could reinvent yourself each time and I think that that's a lot of beauty, even though that's hard. There's a lot of beauty in that shadow work, because a lot of times our shadow will come to us because the social group that we are in tells us that's not what we do. We don't eat with our elbows on the table, we don't say bad words, we come home at nine o'clock, we're in bed by ten. All of these things which I mean work in different societies, but at the end of the day, if you keep changing societies, it's a it's a little bit well, it's really traumatizing and scary. Even though you don't take that, you're just like yeah, it was fun, that's because he's just like that, I would have been sitting here crying and then my family moved again, you know, and he's just like it was really cool, you know.
Speaker 1:but that's that pink heart, Because it actually points out this idea of sometimes we hide our shadow or keep it hidden because of the stagnant social group that we are in. What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 2:I absolutely agree with that and I think that's why I had those experiences, as you know, satan, because when I was young, you know, if you think like this, you're the devil If you do. I mean, I grew up, as you know, in a metaphysical society. I was always a pagan. I didn't, you know, become a pagan, I was born a pagan, and so it was very demonized and so, I think, because society was doing that, I lived very much out of balance, and what I'm hearing Jeff say is that he was able to embrace it and live in balance and navigate who he was, in the pink, with all of it, which is a beautiful thing because we have so many. We have a triad of dynamics, you know, and it's very cool. I love all of it. I think that all of our experiences are electric.
Speaker 3:I agree.
Speaker 1:Electric. I agree, I absolutely agree with that. So let's move on to our next question and we'll do the round robin again how we discovered our unique path for doing shadow work. For me, I would identify my unique path as shamanism. Unique path as shamanism and how I discovered that was working one-on-one with people as granddaughter crow. Now, crows are also taboo. I mean, we have the raven. They're kindred. We have the raven as one of the taboo animals in the shadow work. So it's kind of funny because, because I'm granddaughter crow, a lot of what would be considered love and light readers if somebody came to them and said I want to do shadow work, they would say go see, granddaughter crow, we don't touch the shadow. You know, go see granddaughter crow and I'd be like come here, fat child.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just kidding, have a cookie. No, I just I'm playing.
Speaker 3:But our house is made of gingerbread. Yeah, our house is made of gingerbread.
Speaker 1:I'm coming over, that's right, that's right. And so for me I had to find a way to relieve their taboo of approach and their fear of the approach. So I thought about it and I'm like, what would this look like from a shamanistic perspective? What would this look like from an organic perspective? And I remember just standing outside one time going, oh well shit, everything has a shadow. Everything that the light hits has a shadow. And my spirit calmed down and I started saying that to people and their spirit calmed down and went and decided to go along this journey.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of how it's. More, it takes away this humanized, demonized, bastardized, whatever it is, and really empowers by saying you are just like the tree, you are just like the moon, you are just like you know. Everything that casts a shadow only can do so because it's in the light, and so are you. So celebrate both sides. And so that's kind of my story of how I kind of discovered how to do my unique path. Work is as a shaman. It's like well, just look at the natural world and realize that my cat is not ashamed of jumping up in front of the screen and my little self should not be ashamed when I do things like that too. It's not about shame or blame. It's really about getting to know who you are and your enlightenment, and it's so funny to me that a lot of the enlightenment comes through the shadow.
Speaker 2:Totally. I have learned so much by doing this work. I have been opened up and enlightened so much by doing this work. I, similar to you, found my unique path through my natural gifts and I have a background in yoga and Reiki and so, working with the chakras, I've been working with them. I became an ordained minister, an interfaith minister, in 90. I always get this year wrong. I think it was 96. Either way, that's when I really started working with the chakras.
Speaker 2:It went because in that path I became a Reiki master and, to be honest with you, I didn't, I stumbled, I fell into shadow work, I crashed into it, mud all over the place, and how that happened. I shared, you know, the journey that I love it from now on, it's journey work. I shared the journey that I did with the Rose Garden and it did. It took a couple of years and I was, I found myself in another duplicate relationship because I haven't done the healing yet and this one, of course, was darker because, you know, I was trying to recreate some stuff.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but I was laying in bed one night and I put my hands on my heart and I do believe this is in my book. But this is how it occurred to me that I was doing shadow work, because I didn't even know I was doing shadow work and I just kept going. I love myself, I love myself, I love myself. I was in a physically abusive relationship at this time and I knew that I had underlying self-hate because of all of that history and it was subconscious that I knew I had this underlying self-hate.
Speaker 2:I had an underlying vibration of rage. I had an underlying vibration of anxiety. I had an underlying vibration of anxiety. I had an underlying vibration of depression. I had an underlying vibration of just all of those things, and I kept repeating my trauma.
Speaker 2:I kept repeating my trauma, and so I was really ready to get out of it and I just had to start with my heart. And I just had to start with I love myself, I love myself, I love myself. And it took me about six months of consistently doing that every night. And what was happening which I I realized at the time this is how I realized I was doing shadow work is that all of the things that I hated about myself were like showing up the next day. They were. You know.
Speaker 2:I was having situations where it was like, okay, the old you would be rageful about this, the old you would choose this, the old you would do this. And so every morning when I would wake up, I would have some experience that mirrored self-hatred and I was given a chance to choose differently, which then translated into self-love. And it took six months of doing that consistently. And I remember it was Valentine's Day, dude, self-love, talk about self-love. It was Valentine's Day and he was in his rage and he was this close to my face and he's like I don't think I can do this anymore, as he did for five years, you know, before he got physically violent and I just I remember looking at him and I went, ok, get your stuff and leave, and that was the last time I saw him and my whole world turned around and I literally said to my daughter oh my God, on Friday, which was fucking downtime today.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry you might have to bleep that off. I just realized it. No I said to her. I said to her, harley, this is the first time my nervous system is not rattling, I feel completely calm. And she said because you know her father, she goes. Is that because of my dad or is that because of the guy that was after him? And I said I think it's just because of everything.
Speaker 2:I think I'm just I think I'm good, my nervous system is good. It's not him, or him or him. It's nobody, it's me. And yeah, it was.
Speaker 1:I didn't even realize it was valentine's day that's beautiful I absolutely love that because we are recording this really close to valentine's day and, um, that's just amazing. With self-love and everything, transformation too, big time transformation, reaffirmation and free will to do you get to decide whether you're going to make a different choice. So I really kind of see the shadow as, once again, self-empowerment.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right, and having those like self demons pop up every day and having to face them head on changed my world. A hundred percent changed my world.
Speaker 1:Love that. I absolutely love that.
Speaker 3:That's what people need to do. That's what they need. You know they need to embrace that and not be afraid of it. Just, you know. I mean like, like you know you talk, we talk in these two shadow books. You know you've got to embrace it. You're going to have to if you want to change it. You got to face it and change it.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So, jeffrey Gray, do you have an answer on how you discovered your own unique path of doing shadow work, based on your story of always embracing it and can't remember when you didn't? Okay, as far as the path goes, you know walk in the walk in the walk.
Speaker 2:If I'm going to talk, the talk uh, I had.
Speaker 3:When I first I I got turned on to magic witches, you know, got introduced to a witch's circle, my first witch at a coffee shop, right, um, go figure, and a little independent coffee shop and um got turned on to the magic and at that time it was, um, you know, the circle was, was a nice positive, you know, um, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You know the law of three you only do the good magic, you know, can't do anything bad. Um, and I had set up some candles on my altar at the time I got turned on to Enochian magic, right, that was the first thing I ever got turned on to. And there was the white pillar and the black pillar. Set them up, you know, and it was like I'd light them occasionally and I didn't think much of it. And when I came to my moment of spiritual enlightenment it was the most terrifying thing I've ever experienced in my life. And you know, since then it was, you know, I mean it was scary, it was.
Speaker 3:I heard, and you know I was living, I was, I was broke, and I heard, and you know I was living, I was broke, I was living in a trailer, you know, had gotten divorced and was like I'm going to do this on my own and see what it looks like. And it wasn't very pretty, but you know, I was getting through it and, honestly, it's like I can afford to do this. You know, most of it is doing stuff on your own. You know it's up in here was my thoughts at the time. So it was, you know, a nice alternative to sitting around by yourself, what you know, flipping through back. Then you know the remote and just constantly flipping through the TV channels all 113 of them. So I hear something in my it was a trailer. So I hear something in my trailer Somebody's in there, right, and I hear them tapping across, you know, from one end of the trailer, coming next to me.
Speaker 3:And you know it woke me up and I was terrified. I mean, I rolled or just kind of poured myself out of bed, grabbed my gun it wasn't loaded, there was no way I would. You know I was like, well, I'll poke them. They'll see me with the gun and that's going to deter some of it and if nothing else, I'm going to poke this, this barrel, try to poke this barrel through their chest. Um, it was. It was, you know, it was that real.
Speaker 3:So I get up and I, you know, finally got myself together enough to walk through and even walk outside, and there was nothing. There was nothing and I was like, okay, I was up for another three hours, you know, got that 45 minutes of sleep before you have to go to work, and went to work, came back and I was, I was, I had these, I had these goldfish right, just fancy gold goldfish with big eyes and stuff and Adam in a big tall tank and I was, uh, learning off the glass in that tank and I saw the um reflection of the altar in the glass of the tank. The time of day was just perfect and I looked down below the altar and the picture of myself playing bass right that was on the other side of the window and on the other side of the room than the altar. All of a sudden it was like it was in a cheap plastic frame and that's what I heard clapping along the wall and had fallen beneath that altar.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, that altar so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So um, that was you know that that was my mom moment of enlightenment and I could tell it was a female inner. You know what I would call goddess and energy. Um and uh, she started coming in, coming in my dreams and it was. You know, one of those things where you can't tell. You can feel your dreams, you can feel the concussions, you can feel somebody holding you down, you can feel somebody beating on the bed you're laying in.
Speaker 2:You know, terrifying these terrifying dreams that I'm having.
Speaker 3:I'm like, oh my God, terrifying dreams that I'm having. I'm like, oh my god. And she was a feel that it was a bog god. She was always in the water To the point to where she had blonde hair, but it was green with algae. That was how I came to it. So it was, you know, I mean, it was very dark, right, you know, right off the bat with me. And then, you know, I mean, after that, I think I saw my first maroon and I was like, oh, this is where I need to be.
Speaker 2:So it just kind of all fell into place with Do you know that, putting those candles across from a reflective surface you had created, you amplified it. That's why it came in so intense. You created a portal and amplified your intention, so you went. So that's why she was like OK.
Speaker 3:OK, that makes total sense, because I saw you kind of brighten up when I mentioned the glass on the fish tank. I did not realize that, yeah, it was intense, it was intense and huh, if it works, if that's the reflection it works if that's the reflection, um, you.
Speaker 2:And so a candle, work with a reflective surface, mirror or anything reflective creates a portal. It amplifies your intention good, bad or otherwise. Right, so you're opening a doorway by doing that. So you had a such an intense experience because, unbeknownst to you, you were opening a portal and saying I'm ready, come on in. Thankfully, when you say the bog which essentially, when you were mentioning her, she was, was fun and fine and just like, I feel like I hope you don't mind me doing this, but as soon as you said it I was like oh, he had a Louisiana lifetime, he was just calling in his person from Louisiana, like it was like immediate, not which you, I see the alligator, like your spirit being with the alligator, like in in love. I hate to say it that way, but absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 3:I love that kind of stuff. When I was a kid, yeah, I was always in the water, always down at the creek, always at the pond, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that does make sense. Wow, that's cool.
Speaker 1:Picking up reptiles of all shapes and sizes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I used to drag stuff that makes so much sense because the way I see the pewter and the pink is almost like. It's like the pewter is this reptile texture and the pink is coming through. All of those like spikes. Yeah, yeah, exactly that makes so much sense yeah.
Speaker 1:I love it, and so for our listeners. I want you guys to also consider that we have different but yet similar stories. I think that the outcome is all pretty much the same Empowerment, enlightenment, protection. The experience is unique to you, so it looks like we're coming up on time. It looks like we're coming up on time, stephanie. Is there any last thing that you want to share about this topic in this episode? Then we'll hit you, jeff, and then I'll wrap it up.
Speaker 2:Okay, I just think that there's shadow work is such an important topic for all of us and it's so unique for all of us and I love that you have invited me into your space and I get to do this with you and I have this opportunity to spread this, because I know for me it has completely transformed my life.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and you know, it just makes sense because we kind of balance each other out with a lot of this stuff and add on. Yet we're coming at it with the same understanding, but we're approaching it in different ways to help you, the listener, be able to go. Oh well, there's not just one way. And in my first initial interview with Stephanie Michelle, way back in 2024, we both, she said on my oh, one size does not fit all. And I'm just like you are right, and so it just you're a perfect fit. You're a perfect fit, so thank you. So, jeff, is there any last words that you want to do about the shadow that you'd like to share with the listeners?
Speaker 3:I think it's just real important to get to get to know your shadow, to do the work, and it's it's funny because when I was reading your book, stephanie, I was like no wonder these two vibe so well together, you know no wonder. So yeah, do the work. You know no wonder, um, so yeah, do the work. You know, uh, um. There are a lot of people in the world right now that are not. You know they're. They're never going to get to know their shadows because they hide their spirits, be, uh, behind other beliefs that give them, give them, you know, an out for having. You know their shadow doesn't even exist. Let's blame it on, let's blame it on Lucifer, or you know.
Speaker 2:Right, right, no, I, yeah, yeah, you know somewhere.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, Give it, give it to somebody else, give it to something else and walk away from it. And I think it's real important for people to think for themselves and to know what is it to know oneself, you know, to know the universe.
Speaker 1:If you know thyself, you know the universe. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And I'll just leave it with that. You know, yeah. Can't top that.
Speaker 1:You can't top that. I mean knowing the universe. You can't top that, people, right, right, right. What I would say is that, once again, there's many different approaches, but if you're listening to this, I ask you to be curious and find your own approach. Pick up Chakras and your Shadow, work by Stephanie Michelle. Pick up Shamanism and your Shadow, written by me, and the journey, work, written by my beloved husband, jeffrey Gray. As scary as it is, it will lead you to enlightenment. It will lead you to enlightenment.
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