Belief, Being, & BEYOND!
What you Believe constitutes how you Behave in the world. But there is always something more - The BEYOND! Let's talk to people with a variety spiritual belief systems, perspectives, approaches, and backgrounds in order to sate our curious minds - "What else is out there?"
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Celebrating Sensitives: How Sensitivity Shaped Our World
Are you a highly sensitive person seeking to understand your gifts in a new light? Dr. Reverend Laura Palmer's groundbreaking book "Celebrating Sensitives" offers a fresh perspective that might just change how you see yourself. In this illuminating conversation with Granddaughter Crow, Palmer reveals how the trait of high sensitivity has shaped influential historical figures long before the term was coined in the 1990s.
Palmer takes us on a journey through history, showing how figures like Nikola Tesla, whose sensitivity was so acute he could hear a pocket watch ticking three doors down, channeled his gifts into world-changing inventions. She shares the surprising story of Eleanor Roosevelt, who created meditation spaces in both the White House and United Nations, demonstrating how sensitivity can enhance leadership rather than hinder it. Even Abraham Lincoln exhibited the classic traits of a highly sensitive person, using his empathy and emotional intelligence to guide the nation through its darkest hours.
What truly sets this discussion apart is Palmer's courage in addressing the "less than lovable" sensitives throughout history. With profound insight, she explores how figures like Stalin and Machiavelli began their lives with artistic and spiritual sensitivities before trauma led them down darker paths. This balanced view reminds us that sensitivity itself is neutral—it's what we choose to do with our gifts that defines us.
Whether you're a highly sensitive person seeking validation, someone who loves or works with HSPs, or simply fascinated by history through a new lens, this episode offers fresh perspectives that will expand your understanding of sensitivity as a powerful force throughout human civilization. Connect with Dr. Reverend Laura Palmer at www.sacredsciencenergy.com to discover her book, oracle cards, children's book, and energy work centered around empowering the sensitive souls among us.
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Welcome to Belief being and Beyond with your host, granddaughter Crow. Hi everybody, granddaughter Crow here with yet another episode of Belief being and Beyond and I brought someone back to the show because they have a fantabulous new book out. I think we might have mentioned it, but here it is in the flesh. I guess the book is in the flesh. It is Celebrating Sensitives, and I have with me Dr Reverend Laura Palmer, phd. Say hello to everyone.
Palmer:Laura, hi everybody, it's an honor to be here.
Granddaughter Crow:Oh, thank you. Let me give you guys a little bit more background around Laura. Dr Reverend Laura Palmer so graduated from the University of Sedona with a PhD in holistic life counseling and a Reiki master teacher. That's some good energy. That is some good energy. She specializes in counseling highly sensitive people highly sensitive people, which I am and she is, and I love highly sensitive people. She loves supporting highly sensitive people or HSPs, however she can. She does live in the foothills of Colorado, so she's right up the road from me Okay, maybe right up the hill from me and also so she lives west of Denver with her mom and her rescue dog, sophie.
Granddaughter Crow:Also, dr Laura Palmer is a highly sensitive person herself and has spent a better part of the last decade learning, experimenting, practicing all things metaphysical and combining her two great interests history which she's a history buff and highly sensitive people. And this is what she brings to us is this book. If you want to read more and connect with Dr Reverend Laura Palmer, you can reach her at wwwsacredscienceenergycom and I will drop that in the notes. But today we get to talk all things sensitive, and I was. I love talking all things sensitive with you, laura, because you do the research. You don't just go well, I feel like this. So it must be true, you know you get, you do all the research, and so for the listeners define highly sensitive person.
Palmer:Just really briefly in case they don't know uh, briefly, just buy the bookx of the character trait, which that's actually what I love about. It is a character trait. It's not a good thing, bad thing, it just is, and I love the fact that we see it throughout all cultures and all history points, and we see it all over the place. But the crux of it really is the fact that we are sensitive to. We are what is it? We are sensitive to the subtle energies of our environment.
Granddaughter Crow:Oh yeah.
Palmer:Right and everything, elaine Aaron and you taught this to me, granddaughter Crowe was that that that acronym of does right the deep, deep processing, over stimulation, emotional and sensitive to the subtle energies. But if you kind of think about it and you reverse it, you can see how the oversensitization and the emotions and the deep processing all stems from being able to read the room, being sensitive to those environments. So in my opinion, in my experience, that's really the key that makes us a little different.
Granddaughter Crow:I love that and it is very, very true. So does I love that depth of processing, overstimulation, emotional and sensitive to the subtleties of the environment, you know. So, celebrating Sensitives this is interesting book that took a long time to research and put together and I really want to, without further ado, I want to jump in. It is celebrating the sensitives, what we can learn from historical sensitive persons and how they are and how to be empowered like they were. And so, like your book is broken out into like three points or three parts. The first one talks in depth about what is a sensitive and it goes into that does acronym that you just spoke of, and it does all this research and it explains and gives examples and it goes on so that by the time you're done with part one, you got a pretty good handle on the traits. And I love to, because I think at first, when Dr Elaine Aaron coined the phrase highly sensitive person, that they were kind of like is this a condition or is it a personality trait? And only to find out it's not like a condition, it's not a disorder, it's a trait, we were born like this. And the first part is really packed full of that and it's a really good review for those who have been studying being an empath.
Granddaughter Crow:The beauty around this book is what you bring, which is the history. The beauty around this book is what you bring, which is the history, showing us, throughout history, different historical figures that land in these categories, based on the traits and what they did, and also based on you know, their lived experience, their history, history, their personal experience, as well as your perception of them. And I love how you break it out so like. You have a part where it talks about where I would actually see religious figures and artists. That's almost like a no-brainer for me that highly sensitive people are going to be religious figures and artists. But then you go into the inventors and you go into the leaders, because a lot of times we think, oh, they're too sensitive to be a leader. Oh, no, not necessarily no-transcript, just a eureka, or how did it happen?
Palmer:Kind of actually it was a combination, it was COVID, and as a history buff, with all this kind of new open time, I started watching even more historical documentaries and even more. And I think it was Abraham Lincoln that I started watching even more historical documentaries and even more. And I think it was Abraham Lincoln that I was watching a documentary on probably one of Ken Burns pieces and I went outside and I started walking around. I'm like you know what? Abraham Lincoln surprisingly had a lot of character traits that matched up with the HSP. And I'm like, well, it's not, like you know, hsp's were born the minute that Elaine Aaron published this book. Right, well, we've been around for a long time and so that's what I started to kind of research it more and more and I did get the inkling. And I did get the inkling.
Palmer:So for a while now I've been kind of searching my soul and things to find the subjects to write a book about, but everything felt derivative and not worthy of killing treats. This idea of combining the two and kind of explaining and potentially even extrapolating out that character trait even further really felt tree killing worthy. And they all agreed with me. They were like, yes, you may. So I actually that's how I actually got into the PhD program, because, knowing myself, I knew that I wanted to do this. But I also knew that if I didn't have a reason to or something to really push me, some kind of accountability, that I would just drop it like several other projects I've got in my closet. And so, um, I checked with my advisor before I signed up and I said this this is going to be my doctorate, this is going to be my dissertation, which program will get me the ability to do that? And so that's pretty much how we went on, and then, about four years later, we got it done.
Granddaughter Crow:Love it. Talk about begin with the end in mind. I think that Stephen Covey said that Begin with the end in mind. I think that Stephen Covey said that Begin with the end in mind. And most people who have a doctorate, that's very difficult to figure out what you want your dissertation to be about, and you were just like I want my dissertation to be about this. Let me go ahead and get a doctorate inside of a program that allows it to be so. I love it. Build it backwards, I love it. Allows it to be so. I love it. Build it backwards. I love it. I also really enjoy this because you make a good point in that when Dr Elaine Aron wrote this book, when did she write it? Like 1986 or 96? 96. Okay, was the first year published? Was the first year published? And she coined the phrase earlier HSP, highly sensitive person. But we didn't just start being born when she coined the phrase. We were here without not an identity but a category, right?
Palmer:And a lot of it.
Palmer:You can see where, like even um, a lot of characters in in literature.
Palmer:You can see where that sensitive historically, we were the nervous type, we were the artistic temperament, we were the um ones that had the nervous tics or whatever. But when you actually look at it in a different way, you start to see like, oh, I mean, this is just start popping up all throughout history and I actually only I focus the ones that are in the book I focused on because there is so much rich information about them, right, and so I could get those childhood stories, because there is so much rich information about them, right, and so I could get those childhood stories, I could get the little quirks and all of those wonderful things. There are others that I have a suspicion were, such as Nero and potentially Caligula and potentially Caligula, but I don't, we don't have the records and I can't find the stories or the proof to back that up. So we really kind of, unfortunately, the historical documents start to get really good around the 15th or 17th century, 1600s, so it focuses on the ones before, but we still got them everywhere.
Granddaughter Crow:Love it. I absolutely love it. Give us. Can you give us like choose one of them that you wrote about and give us a little bit like more of like what was it like a religion? We already know that one, but this the inventors. Like give us a little bit more information about that. Like choose one of the inventors.
Palmer:OK, one of my favorite inventors is Tesla. Nikola Tesla, not the car, not the company of today, right, but we're talking about the man. Right, but we're talking about the man, one of the things that inventors when you start to think about it. We know that Elaine Aron actually did a study with fMRIs right, the functional MRIs and discovered that the neural pathways of a sensitive are different than a non-sensitive. As a result, that means we think differently, we think out of the box and with that in mind, inventors become a natural umbrella, a natural category. For that we know that he was some.
Palmer:Ocd is probably an easy, kind way to describe him. In the book we document how some woman at a party was wearing pearl earrings and it just drove him to madness. There was one point actually, it was really interesting. There was one point actually it was really interesting About 18 months before Tesla had his very first breakthrough with his invention and I can't remember the invention, but he had to put padding under the feet of his bed Because the traffic going by the front of the building would just set him on edge. He could hear a pocket watch ticking across the hall three doors down.
Granddaughter Crow:Yeah, that's, highly sensitive right.
Palmer:Right and of course, we didn't have any techniques then. His best known technique was spending time in nature, which we find a lot of these. That's a big recurring pattern, for many of them is just go walk around in nature, but Tessa I also. I find it very interesting that he had this breakdown and mere months before he had a breakthrough Wow, which is very telling for humanity and for sensitives.
Granddaughter Crow:I love that, I absolutely love that. So I broke down about six months ago, so maybe I'll have a breakthrough coming up here in a little bit.
Granddaughter Crow:You know what I'm saying Absolutely, I love that. Okay. So here's another question for you what drove the different groups? Like I said, you have the religious figures and artists, you have the inventors and all of that. You also have leaders, and then you have the less than lovable, highly sensitive people, which we will get to because I love that. What? How did you categorize that? How did they finally find their category?
Palmer:I really kind of fell into place, actually, just as I was kind of going, oh what about this one? What about this one? And it was really my ultimate goal was to get to those leaders. I wanted to show the example that sensitives make great leaders. The intuition, the empathy, high, highly intelligent, so that we can strategize and think out of the box those all our qualities, beautiful, wonderful leaders. But I felt like I had to kind of walk us up to the, to the concept of that, and so we started with the softball of the religious and the artistic, and then the inventors, which is a little bit out of the box, and then the leaders, so that once we did get completely out of the box, it wasn't so crazy.
Granddaughter Crow:I love that because it's true. I mean, especially in what I would say the left hemisphere-centric meaning, our brain is very logical, it's centered around logic in the United States in 2025 and has been in the United States for a while, and so this idea of being sensitive, it really is like, but that's different than logic, because, you know, isn't this person who's like, highly sensitive? You know depth of processing and stimulation, over stimulation and emotion? How could they rise to be a leader? And I think that you being able to show us what that looks like, not only explain it, because, like you just did, they are going to have that empathy, they are going to have that depth of processing, they are going to have that intuition to go something, that gut check or whatever, and yet they rise to leadership. And then you give us prime examples. Could you give us one of those examples of one that just pops into your mind? One of the leaders?
Palmer:There's several that want to talk.
Granddaughter Crow:Let's go for it.
Palmer:We always, we always love Eleanor Roosevelt. She's one of our favorites um, um because she was the mother of the country through the depression and world war I and she still maintained. What I love about her is a lot of. At the time people just gravitated. She was like a warm comfort blanket. She was like a cozy blanket of comfort during some of the really tough times of the 20. For me, um, was that eleanor roosevelt had a meditation room in the white house and was very adamant that when they were developing and planning the united nations, that they have a meditation, prayer room, quiet room. I love that. Wow, I love her. Yeah, she's one of my absolute. She's a strong one for me.
Granddaughter Crow:I love that. That's such a I mean.
Palmer:And we were able to track down her meditative process, and it is in the book well, you guys, let's all meditate like elena luceval, let's do it, let's do it.
Granddaughter Crow:I, I absolutely love that, because meditation for me, um, I practice it off and on throughout my life, but I'm into it right now and have been into it for the last, well, since the beginning of February. So we're recording this at the end of April for the last three months and I'm going to continue this process of meditation and where it takes me and there's all different forms and stuff, but where it takes me is to my inner stillness, so I can hear my voice. And practicing it and doing a daily practice of that helps me to return to that daily voice very, very quickly and I don't get lost. And so the fact that the leader and the female, you know first, all of it is like wow, let's. Yeah, she's one of my favorite too. Who else? Who else is? You said a few want to come forward, so pick another one well, we, we.
Palmer:It's easy now to understand how abraham lincoln was a sensitive right, now that we kind of are a little more familiar with the, with the character trait we can see. Oh yes, of course what I love most about him is that we can see the arc of his character go from. He was, he was always an abolitionist right, but there are new documents that are coming out that says, okay, he does believe that all men should be free, but he also believes that there are only certain people that should be jurors and government leaders. And we see this arc. He grows um and he changes and he modifies and he opens up and he changes the country and he changes our world. And it's fun to see that kind of soul growth um in somebody and to to watch it, read it, read back and really enjoy it yeah, that's amazing.
Granddaughter Crow:And you know that brings up another point of that as a sensitive, our souls continue to grow. And another thing, because I'm about ready to shift into the less lovable ones. But what I love about this is that it complements any sensitive collection or library, if you will, because it actually goes back and reviews very well-known historical figures and shows us what it was like before and what tools they had to create for themselves because they didn't have a Dr Reverend Laura Palmer telling them oh, walk outside into the natural world and you'll feel a little better. You know they had to figure all of that out by themselves and that it also speaks to like sometimes when people find a title or a label and they identify with it like I'm a highly sensitive person.
Granddaughter Crow:That doesn't mean that I am introverted. Hermit need to behave like this, and I probably have. You know, maybe I'm going to have OCD in the future. You know it's that there are all shapes and sizes and colors of different how we work with this tool, this character trait of being highly sensitive, and we get to see examples of that. I mean so for me you kind of broaden the scope where it's not like oh, we're all church mice? Oh no, we're not. Did you get?
Palmer:surprised at all. As you were going through that, you kind of found some and you're just like I had that make sense but I wouldn't have. I was surprised and not surprised to find so many HSPs as American founding fathers. It's a piece that I'm working on an Oracle deck right now and so they're going to be in that one. So they're not all. They're not in this one, I don't think, but many, many of our founding fathers were HSPs. Wow, which I'm like. Thank you, Can you come back and help us again?
Granddaughter Crow:It actually makes a lot of sense because I think I think you brought this information to me there was a study that Dr Elaine Aaron's friends she had biology friends and they also did a study on over 100 other species and found out that there was the normal 15%, 20% of those populations that also held these traits. And so then they believe the biologists think that well, they're here for the survival of the population because they are sensitive towards new stimuli with the environment.
Palmer:We're famous for being both either early adopters, like Lincoln. He was one of the reasons him winning the presidency was an absolute surprise. Him getting the nomination was he just came out of nowhere at the convention prize. Him getting the nomination was he just came out of nowhere at the convention. But his candidacy, his campaign was, and throughout his entire presidency was all because he capitalized on new technology. He was an early adopter of the newspapers and the telegraph, so he could clearly communicate and say, nope, nope, that's not what my speech said, this is what it said. So he was able to do that.
Palmer:So part of us are early adopters. We get excited, we like new toys, we play with them, another. But the opposite of that is also true. Where we're waiting seers right. We're kind of like, okay, so there's this new technology, this brand new wrangled thing called the satellite, and we're just going to wait and see and see how it happens and how it develops, and so it's that wait and see that really kind of does help the species. We're like, okay, I know this is cool and this is nifty and everything, but let's, let's just kind of rein it back a little bit and and just see how it flows and and and where it goes, before we go all hog wild. So but I do. I love the fact that it's been postulated that every species on this planet, 20% of us, are HSPs, and I see it in dogs, I see it in cats, I see it in a lot of the domesticated, and it's just thrilling to consider that our planet is a sensitive one.
Granddaughter Crow:Yeah, and it also is really interesting because I think back in the day in at least the business world, when Dr Lynn Aaron was bringing this book out, we were just then going in with, like Daniel Goldman and emotional intelligence and all of these books, kind of bringing to the forefront of the business world, of the business world that, you know, emotions are good people. We're not on, you know, on the line with a number in building a Ford. You know, team model Ford. You know we are literally individuals and so this idea is starting to come out and it's still shaping. And then you take us into this understanding. Oh yeah, and they were always here, let's take a look. So here's a, here's a question for you.
Granddaughter Crow:Um, I do enjoy the part where you say the less than lovable or likable, highly sensit. And you actually put a precursor in that chapter where you're just like, if this gets your gut wrong, skip it, you know, because the idea, I think that as a highly sensitive person, it makes me feel like, oh well, I'm special and I'm good and I can do no wrong. I have these gifts. I might be clairvoyant, I have good intuition. So how could a person with those gifts go to the dark side, but it happens. People Look at Darth Vader. Look at Darth Vader. I don't think Darth Vader is in the book, but he could have been a highly sensitive. No, I'm just playing. So the idea I think that you are introducing, for the first time I've ever seen it, the idea that, yeah, you are gifted, but what you do with your gifts really matter. So why did you write that chapter and what did you find?
Palmer:And give us an example you write that chapter and what did you find? And give us an example. Um, I really did find that. Um, it's straight up, a character, straight trait. It is neither good nor is it bad and it is completely on you and your soul and your responsibility as to what you do with that gift. We do carry a lot of energy and power and with that comes a lot of responsibility. So we need to be very aware of and I think sensitives already are. Sometimes we become paralyzed by oh, is this going to be okay? But some of us, the ego gets in the way, and so it's really a matter of balance and noticing that this is a trait, just like me having brown gray hair and hazel brown, boring eyes. It's the same kind of thing.
Palmer:Somebody has blue eyes. What are they going to do with it? I've got pink eyes. What am I going to do with that? So, along with the, there's a great it was a Netflix short lived series about with Kathy Bates, where somebody was doing a podcast, where somebody was doing a podcast and the it was a couple and she was like wow, you're so in psychic, you're so intuitive. And he's like yeah, it's a gift, it's a curse, it's a curse and I'm like right, and it's really. It can be either way. It's a matter of how you choose to accept it, if you do, and a matter of what to do with it and how. Either way, it's a matter of how you choose to accept it, if you do, and a matter of what to do with it and how you do it.
Palmer:Yeah, I'm not going to say the obvious one.
Granddaughter Crow:Okay, we'll save it for the book. If you guys want to know the obvious one, you got to pick up the book. Where can they really quick? Where can people get your book just?
Palmer:Well, it's available on my publishers. It's Sunbury Press. It's available on Amazon. It's a free Kindle download. Actually, if you have issues with iSight or something like that, the Kindle is an option. It's on a lot of thrift books, a-books, those kind of places and some local bookstores in the Denver metro area.
Granddaughter Crow:Absolutely and basically. I'm pretty sure that if you walk into your favorite bookstore, buy local and ask them to order this book, you know, just ask them. Say I would like to buy Celebrating Sensitive by Dr Reverend Laura Palmer, please. This is what it looks like, and then you will be off to the races and be able to find out who she's talking about when she says the obvious one. So go ahead and give us a less than obvious bad guy. Quote, unquote bad guy or less lovable one who chose their girst to be the curse.
Palmer:Yeah right, um, I usually um, well, yeah, let's go. Oh, machiavelli okay, he okay. So we're somewhat familiar with it. The person has kind of been lost through the work. We now consider many cutthroat strategies or actions to be Machiavellian Right or somebody to have a Machiavellian personality. The book I found because, like I said, there's a lot of information on him, um, and I um it's she postulates that Machiavelli wrote the prince, which is the book that his theories are based on, as a satire and Oops, and as a handbook for sure, how to succeed in without really trying. But also, eventually you will fail.
Palmer:Machiavelli wrote more than just the prints. He wrote plays, he wrote songs, he wrote humor. He had a great sense of humor and my one thing from him that I have worked with and it took me a while to find this from him find this energy. He was an observer, an observer and potentially clear audience. Actually, I almost know clear audience.
Palmer:Um, there's a, a story in one of the sources that I found, where it was a combination. There was a conversation between two people and I've forgotten the names. I think it's the Cardinal and Borgia. Cardinal and Borgia Machiavelli was present at the conversation and he literally reports that he stepped back from the conversation, so he wasn't involved in the conversation and he consciously remembered every single word so that he could faithfully and authentically report the conversation back to the leaders in Florence and I'm like well, there you go. Wow, so he's a really good one to work with the observer. He's also one that work with where, getting the clear message out he wrote if this author is indeed true fact and he did write in satire we need to make that a little bit more clear the next time.
Granddaughter Crow:Right Oopsies, that's what I was like, big oops.
Palmer:Yeah, yeah. But another one of my favorite, less than loving is Stalin. Actually, ok, he, when you, when you consider that the idea he was right there at the beginning of the Communist Manifesto and in the whole idea of of equal work and everyone should share right, equality, and all of that um, and so we can see this sweet, loving um he was, he loved to write poetry, he was his poems were poet, published in a local newspaper. He was a choir boy. He was an award-winning um singer for his choir and was on his way to become a priest and so then he got involved with the New Thought and all of the boys there and started working more for socialism and communism and so it kind of got derailed from the priesthood.
Palmer:Can see where, um, philosophically there's not much difference really, um, with a couple of major minor differences, um, but it's really um. The most telling story that I found about stalin was um, he was at the grave site of his first wife and he said he was burying his wife and he was so overcome with emotion that he said this is where my empathy for humanity ends, and that's when we start to see him take a turn and that's when we start seeing him, the ego takes over, and that's when he becomes the man that we know him for whoa killing right, my eyes are watering and I'm I'm speechless, I know um, yeah, herbert, herbert hoover, another one in that in the book um did basically the same thing.
Palmer:Um cut off his emotions, but his was the death of his dog, speedy, speedy bozo. But he was like nope, this is too much, I'm stepping out of the emotional arena and I'll just go machiavellian and do what I gotta do. And the end justifies the meat.
Granddaughter Crow:So it's fascinating that is, and you know, I mean these are big, like big. We all know these people and research these people. But it also on that macro level. But it also shows on a micro level, like, if you follow my personal story, I was very, very sensitive and then I got ousted by my family. They kicked me out and the church kicked me out because I questioned God and I kind of did a similar thing.
Granddaughter Crow:I didn't like say this is where it ends, but I was just like I am going to like, let's see what this. I'm going to go to school, I'm going to work my way up in the corporate America. It's a dog eat dog world. The end justifies the means. And I was, you know, I was a really good cold person when I was in that role. I didn't know it, except for, you know, like if I was interviewing a new vendor or something like that, after a while I'd get to know them and they would be like you are intimidating as F and I'm like what are you talking about? I feel nice in the inside, no, so it's a really strange thing that. And then, and then, thankfully, I came back, you know, and you know swung back around, took a couple of hits over you know, spiritual hits in order for me to to reawaken, but I did, and so that is a part of a sensitive story too, that you know. We say that it's a curse, but because we feel so deeply, it's not that I don't think that they could turn it off, I just think that they were like fine, this is the world I'm living in, a cold world and I think that being an empath really does feel like being a mirror, and you can mirror positivity as much as you can mirror, like the other side. I hate to say it, but I've done it. Yep, I've done it, and it kind of makes these people a little bit more human. But it also helps me to look at my life and open up my mind to some of those times probably were me, as a highly sensitive being, so hurt and crushed I mean seriously when my family kicked me out and the church kicked me out.
Granddaughter Crow:I was suicidal. I was suicidal at the age of 17. And it took me. I had to shut it all down and go. That was all hogwash, that was all hogwash and then move forward and it took me. What a good 17,. I don't know. 10 plus 7 plus a good 17 years to heal before I was ready to open back up. And I did open back up about 20 some odd years ago and now I'm here. But that's also a really good thing to look for that. I never heard of Laura, I mean Dr Reverend Laura Palmer. I know her as Laura, so I take advantage of that.
Palmer:Laura's good too, I like that I love it.
Granddaughter Crow:I love it. You can call me Crow, I'll call you Laura, I love it. But that you really did do a lot of work with this book because, as a sensitive you gotta, you had to have come into it with a little bit of bias and then look at these people and go no way and put your bias aside and actually look at the traits and everything was the doctoral aspect of it I love it.
Palmer:Yeah, we actually in the beginning. It might be part one or somewhere in there. We actually apologize if we have overstepped and are zeal to make our case misrepresented anybody, but we just love sensitive so much that we see them everywhere.
Granddaughter Crow:Pretty sure that was the intro, Laura. I think that was literally. Maybe you say it a couple of times, but it really is. Hey, by the way, I love you guys, but let's, let's go ahead and and sit down and look at the beauty around life without labeling it as good or evil. In our own human world, because of you know certain things. I don't want to be known historically. Well, I do want to be known historically, but I don't want to be known for the bad stuff that I've done. Laura, I don't want to.
Granddaughter Crow:I want to be known for this podcast. I want to be known for knowing people like you. I want to be known for that, you know, and so it's kind of like it all matters, you know, and so it's kind of like it all matters. So what is in your future? I know that we are putting this out at the beginning of May and we've got you and I have a book signing that we're going to be in the Denver metro area or traveling through Colorado this coming weekend, on Sunday, may 4th, from two o'clock to four o'clock in person book signing Plus. We're just going to have a lot of chat.
Granddaughter Crow:Laura, dr Reverend, Laura Palmer and granddaughter Crow are going to be sitting in the same room talking to and answering questions. So if you guys can, please, please, please, show up. If you can't, you're talking about other things that you're doing. You you said a deck of cards. What are you? How's that going? I think you might have mentioned that last time too. We're keeping track. This is your accountability. This is your accountability. Belief being and beyond is dr reverend laura palmer's accountability for her projects. So, yeah, tell us how's that going and what does it go.
Palmer:The first 44 card deck is written and just this morning we started on the second 44 card deck and they're split, as you um, into left brained and right brained, so the expected hsps and the non-expected, and we haven't worked out the terms for that yet, um, but um, we have an um an artist on board and she's um chomping at the bit to get those images for the deck ready and going. But I have her very busy on a children's book.
Granddaughter Crow:What I want to hear more of this. What is this?
Palmer:So in the book, on page four I think, is a poem and it's called the Weird Kids, and this was actually the very first thing that I kind of channel wrote and I always saw it as being a children's book. To me, growing up sensitive and not knowing about it was the hardest most ugh, just ugh, right. And so I wanted to write a letter to the sensitive kids of today and tomorrow, and that's what this poem is, and my friend and illustrator is turning it into a children's book so we can have it out. So that a lot. So they can all find out that they are good, that they are wonderfully crazy and beautifully inventive and can be very strong and impactful leaders.
Granddaughter Crow:Wow, I love that Again. Wwwsacredscienceenergycom. Reach out to Laura. Is there anything else that you offer on your website that you would like to invite people to discover? Do you do one-on-ones or what are you up to on your?
Palmer:website. Do you do one-on-ones or what are you up to on your website? We do remotes and actually one of the fun things that we've started working a lot with about I've forgotten what month it is about a year and a half, maybe two years now We've been working with fairy energy Nice and that fairy energy is really nice. On a remote level it's actually a lot more powerful. Clients across the world, multi-continents, have been able to feel the energy and it's actually potentially more effective than in person. We do in person in our office, but that distance, remote Reiki with the fairy is a whole lot of fun.
Granddaughter Crow:I love it. We might have to have you back on the show talking about the fae and the fairies and all of that. I think that that would be lovely. So thank you so much for taking the time. You guys, please take a look at this book. Like I said, if you have a library or a bookshelf full of HSP, empathic books, this one is a must, because it expands the mind to reach back to what it could look like in history. It expands the mind to think that we are leaders, not just all psychics. It expands the mind and artists. It expands the mind to understand that we too can go awry, you know. But anyway, Laura, thank you for being on the show.
Palmer:Thank you for having me.
Granddaughter Crow:Absolutely, and thank you, guys for listening to yet another episode of Belief, being and Beyond. Like, subscribe, share. This one is a really empowering one. Even if you have been 50 years in your craft, this is going to expand your mind. This is new information collected by a historian as well as a doctoral person who researches and works with highly sensitive people. And until next time. I love you. See you on the flippity flip.
